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Author Topic: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
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Ben Hart
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Post Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: April 21, 2011, 19:54

I've started writing another book -- my 8th book -- this one outlining what I believe conservatives, Tea Partiers, and Constitutionalists should stand for.

The central theme of the book is my view that we should start calling ourselves Constitutionalists rather than Conservatives.

The Conservative label is really a misnomer. Few agree on what that means.

Liberals think "Conservative" means we are against change. A "Conservative" in Iran is a bad thing.

I'm very much for change -- for making big changes in the government we have now.

I believe what we should be for is the Constitution of the United States -- the greatest charter of liberty ever put into effect. And we should be for the principles of liberty stated so brilliantly in the Declaration of Independence.

Were Thomas Jefferson and James Madison a "conservative"?

No. They were revolutionaries, but in a good way.

I don't mind continuing to use the term conservative and continuing to identify myself as a conservative because that's the label people are used to hearing.

But I think it would be much more productive if we would move toward the label "Constitutionalist."

Let's have an argument about whether government should follow the Constitution, or not.

We'll win that debate. Most people think government should follow the rules.

When we play sports and games, we expect everyone to follow the rules.

Our problem with the federal government is that it's not following the rules -- not following the Supreme Law of the Land -- the Constitution of the United States.

I'll be interested to read your views on this proposition.

Pipsqueak

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Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: April 22, 2011, 15:58

They are changing the rules, government is getting huge ..we need smaller government..I like the Constitution..This country is in serious trouble ,if Americans dont wake up we are doomed the America we have loved will be gone .

deeatonsr

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Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: April 24, 2011, 17:13

Ben;
I think you're correct on this but I think that we should also do more. The 'progressives' (aka Democrats) have a tendency to redefine words...I think we should refuse to accept their re-definitions. For example, an illegal alien is an illegal alien no matter what they wish to call them. That being the case, we should continue to refer to illegal aliens as illegal aliens. Abortion is abortion and those that are for it are pro-abortionist, so why are we calling them pro-choice? The current trend of political correctness, while being very political is far from being correct; why do we allow them to insist on using it?

Just some of my thoughts,
Dave...

CDR

Posts: 55
Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: April 25, 2011, 09:51

I think when we start demanding that the government live by the same laws passed down on us we will see more thought given to laws that effect not only our lives but theirs as well. This would apply to things like health care..retirement..social security. I think the American people should vote the politicians raise, not the politician, and the people should vote our politicians salary and benefits. We are their employer. I am sure it is in the Constitution some place. I like the term Constitutionalist

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Ben Hart
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Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: April 25, 2011, 15:26

Totally agree with all that

MonkeyMan

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Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: April 26, 2011, 05:15

Quote from CDR on April 25, 2011, 09:51
We are their employer.

Exactly.

JRobGroup

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Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: April 27, 2011, 02:14

I have always considered myself a Constitutionalist and not a Conservative, but the problem here is that we have allowed others to define us and label us as conservatives for too long. Getting rid of the "Conservative" label will not be easy, but I would agree that we need to get it done. Has anyone else here checked out the platform for the Constitution Party here in this country? I personally think it's great.

CMore

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Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: May 15, 2011, 09:31

Being identified as a Conservative is not wrong it is just that we allowed too much for the Socialist and such to define what one is.
We all have core basic values that we all agree on and we have one other plus, we can honestly debate on the intricacies of what it means to us individually, and still have agreement on the first principles of what the role Gov't is. Now someone who is socially Conservative may disagree with someone who is just fiscally Conservative and may think that is going too far but in the end they both agree it is not Gov'ts role to determine this, nor is it the role of a group,like the Socialists/Communists/ Progressives.
Now i have found it a bit more difficult to be a Conservative in my life,however I have found it much more rewarding.

LeFever

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Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: August 9, 2011, 03:33

He who controls the language controls the debate. One of the most chilling features of George Orwell's novel, 1984 was the fact that the powers that be were controlling the definition of words. Many people just never realize what power there is in this. It allows one to control meaning. Thereby one has cultural control. What if we called Pro Choice advocates "Pro Death" instead? Note how homosexuals have co-opted and completely destroyed the original meaning of the word "gay." Is there anything "gay" about the extremely high incidences of HIV, AIDS, Hep C, mental illnesses, alcoholism and drug abuse among the homosexual population, particularly among male homosexuals? I insist there is not. I simply chose years ago to absolutely refuse the use of "gay" when discussing this subject. When discussing extremely liberal proponents I avoid the word liberal, because the better choice is often uber-liberal (a term they truly hate, by the way), or at best progressive. I suggest to you that there are few true liberals anymore; most have devolved to more extreme positions. Obama has truly socialist and some communist leanings in my view; I use those terms in defining him. Folks, think how you're being manipulated by the liberals and the press. Call something what IT IS, not what they want you to call it.

Finally, "Constitutionalist" is a very good choice, not only because it is a good definition for many of us, but also because liberals tend to be incredible dummies underneath that facade of effete snobbery. It could take them years to come up to speed on the name change. And note how certain of these types get so touchy and concerned regarding how they are addressed. Turn their own tactics right back at them. They can't stand this and it drives them crazy when you spend a good five minutes carefully delineating your proper title and meanings, and so they have to endure all the particulars about it before they can even begin to attack your position. Many of us Contitutionalists, and I think largely because we were raised with ethics, moral values to behave in a courteous and polite manner (meanwhile, many of today's liberals act like they've had no parenting at all), so therefore we tend to allow too much; we put up with too much when liberals attempt to dominate and control the language. I'm not suggesting it's time for "no more Mr. Nice Guy," but we need to take the stronger stance on their choice of the words defining us.

LeFever

Posts: 18
Post Re: Instead of "Conservatives" I think we should move toward the label "Constitutionalists"
on: August 9, 2011, 03:53

On a related note, I wanted to post this separately: One very important feature I have noticed concerning the left wing is that many of them are card-carrying NIHILISTS. If you are not familiar with this term, you should be, and Wikipedia offers an excellent explanation. This is a definition of liberals that almost all of them will vehemently deny, yet it is very often spot-on. A nihilist is the type of person who makes up the rules and morals as he goes (think, Constitution as a "living" document). The rules get changed always to the benefit of the one changing them, of course. Nihilism is the notion of selfishness taken to the extreme. They believe in the freedom of speech -- yet only for viewpoints they agree with. They believe in equality -- everyone is equal, except some people are more equal. It is a position of amorality or, at best, constantly shifting morality. Nihilists believe that all truth is relative, that there are no absolutes. Now, does this sound like most liberals you have met or perhaps debated? It fits like a glove, and they really hate the term being applied to them, although it's usually dead-on accurate. I use this term correctly in my dealings with many of the progressive stance. They hate it ('cause it's true). Try it some time.

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